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	<title>Comments on: Why is working with a graphic designer so much like the fiery pits of hell?</title>
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		<title>By: How the hell am I supposed to know if my design is crappy or awesome? &#124; Sparky Firepants: Inside the Pants</title>
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		<dc:creator>How the hell am I supposed to know if my design is crappy or awesome? &#124; Sparky Firepants: Inside the Pants</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 21:18:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] or crappy. Assuming you&#8217;ve done your homework and hired the best fit for your project (read about how to do that here), it&#8217;s likely not complete crap. But is it good? Is it [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] or crappy. Assuming you&#8217;ve done your homework and hired the best fit for your project (read about how to do that here), it&#8217;s likely not complete crap. But is it good? Is it [...]</p>
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		<title>By: sparkyfirepants</title>
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		<dc:creator>sparkyfirepants</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 00:37:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@jaydub That&#039;s an awesome process and so much more valuable than the revolving door-crank &#039;em out-and-forget &#039;em service that I see sometimes.

It can be hard with new clients because they can&#039;t see that value you&#039;re creating until everything is done (or after a year when something crazy happens, they need that CD and poof! it&#039;s there, like magic).

Then again, when a few people create that kind of value, it&#039;s harder for the half-assed revolving door service providers to maintain the status quo.

Then again, there are always going to be people who will accept rock-bottom service and average work to get it on the cheap.

Thankfully, those people aren&#039;t our clients anyway. :)

@Doug C. Human rocks. Human is the only way to help people.

Again, I use forms to stimulate a conversation. Like this:

http://sparkyfirepants.com/yourproject.html

The phone calls are so much more productive when I&#039;ve had a chance to digest some basic project info. That way I&#039;m also coming into the call with some suggestions and a ballpark estimate.

But the forms without the conversation? Robotic. Totally.

It&#039;s also important that you make yourself available, allowing people to bypass your forms. I know that when I&#039;m on someone&#039;s site I like to see that I have those options. I notice on your site you&#039;ve got direct lines of communication to you, which is awesome.

People like working with people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@jaydub That&#8217;s an awesome process and so much more valuable than the revolving door-crank &#8216;em out-and-forget &#8216;em service that I see sometimes.</p>
<p>It can be hard with new clients because they can&#8217;t see that value you&#8217;re creating until everything is done (or after a year when something crazy happens, they need that CD and poof! it&#8217;s there, like magic).</p>
<p>Then again, when a few people create that kind of value, it&#8217;s harder for the half-assed revolving door service providers to maintain the status quo.</p>
<p>Then again, there are always going to be people who will accept rock-bottom service and average work to get it on the cheap.</p>
<p>Thankfully, those people aren&#8217;t our clients anyway. :)</p>
<p>@Doug C. Human rocks. Human is the only way to help people.</p>
<p>Again, I use forms to stimulate a conversation. Like this:</p>
<p><a href="http://sparkyfirepants.com/yourproject.html" rel="nofollow">http://sparkyfirepants.com/yourproject.html</a></p>
<p>The phone calls are so much more productive when I&#8217;ve had a chance to digest some basic project info. That way I&#8217;m also coming into the call with some suggestions and a ballpark estimate.</p>
<p>But the forms without the conversation? Robotic. Totally.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s also important that you make yourself available, allowing people to bypass your forms. I know that when I&#8217;m on someone&#8217;s site I like to see that I have those options. I notice on your site you&#8217;ve got direct lines of communication to you, which is awesome.</p>
<p>People like working with people.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug C.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 04:57:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent article. I wish I could plaster this all over, like the GodStillLovesUs campaign. I always encourage direct contact with my clients. I want to hear a human voice and get human answers. I mean I hate those automated messages every time I call someplace and forms are the virtual equivalent.

You&#039;re hiring a Human, Not a Machine.
.-= Doug C.&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dcblog.net/2009/08/freebie-friday-illustrator-halftone.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Freebie Friday: Illustrator Halftone Pattern&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent article. I wish I could plaster this all over, like the GodStillLovesUs campaign. I always encourage direct contact with my clients. I want to hear a human voice and get human answers. I mean I hate those automated messages every time I call someplace and forms are the virtual equivalent.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re hiring a Human, Not a Machine.<br />
.-= Doug C.&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://www.dcblog.net/2009/08/freebie-friday-illustrator-halftone.html" rel="nofollow">Freebie Friday: Illustrator Halftone Pattern</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: jaydub</title>
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		<dc:creator>jaydub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 00:53:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent post. Should be required reading for all small business owners.

After a new client has decided to work with me, I ask enough questions to seem like a dating questionnaire. I ask what logos or websites they particularly like or dislike, same with colors and styles. I ask for a list of words they&#039;d use and what they&#039;d avoid. I might even ask what their living room looks like, in order to get a feel for their sensibility: do they like neat and spare, or cluttered and comfortable? I ask about long-range goals and try to explain how to establish a ground from which to build on. We talk about production, and what it takes to actually get things made.

After the work is done, I give them a CD with the files they need in various formats and also keep them on file.

On the other hand, too often I&#039;m asked to rescue a logo that someone&#039;s cousin designed or recreate original art from a book of matches. I hate that stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent post. Should be required reading for all small business owners.</p>
<p>After a new client has decided to work with me, I ask enough questions to seem like a dating questionnaire. I ask what logos or websites they particularly like or dislike, same with colors and styles. I ask for a list of words they&#8217;d use and what they&#8217;d avoid. I might even ask what their living room looks like, in order to get a feel for their sensibility: do they like neat and spare, or cluttered and comfortable? I ask about long-range goals and try to explain how to establish a ground from which to build on. We talk about production, and what it takes to actually get things made.</p>
<p>After the work is done, I give them a CD with the files they need in various formats and also keep them on file.</p>
<p>On the other hand, too often I&#8217;m asked to rescue a logo that someone&#8217;s cousin designed or recreate original art from a book of matches. I hate that stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: sparkyfirepants</title>
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		<dc:creator>sparkyfirepants</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 00:33:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Justin.

You make an excellent point about forms. Forms can be helpful in gathering info (I say because I use them - no bias there at all, ahem).

However, they shouldn&#039;t take the place of a conversation. A form&#039;s purpose is to generate discussion and be used as a starting point for more in-depth communication.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Justin.</p>
<p>You make an excellent point about forms. Forms can be helpful in gathering info (I say because I use them &#8211; no bias there at all, ahem).</p>
<p>However, they shouldn&#8217;t take the place of a conversation. A form&#8217;s purpose is to generate discussion and be used as a starting point for more in-depth communication.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin Warren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justin Warren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 23:48:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent advice there, David. Really spot on.

I once hired a designer who was about half right. I got the original artwork (I insisted), but they had a &#039;fill in a form&#039; version of the asking questions part. Not nearly enough discussion about what I wanted.

I got some OK design out of it. Not bad, but not awesome. I won&#039;t be using them again, and I&#039;ll be keeping your advice in mind when I find my next designer.
.-= Justin Warren&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.eigenmagic.com/2009/08/14/infrastructure-isnt-agile/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Infrastructure Isn’t Agile&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent advice there, David. Really spot on.</p>
<p>I once hired a designer who was about half right. I got the original artwork (I insisted), but they had a &#8216;fill in a form&#8217; version of the asking questions part. Not nearly enough discussion about what I wanted.</p>
<p>I got some OK design out of it. Not bad, but not awesome. I won&#8217;t be using them again, and I&#8217;ll be keeping your advice in mind when I find my next designer.<br />
.-= Justin Warren&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://www.eigenmagic.com/2009/08/14/infrastructure-isnt-agile/" rel="nofollow">Infrastructure Isn’t Agile</a> =-.</p>
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